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	<title>Comments on: Searching for Google&#8217;s Privacy Policy</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://michaelzimmer.org/2008/05/30/searching-for-googles-privacy-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-150211</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, as I imply &lt;a href=&quot;http://michaelzimmer.org/2008/05/27/google-wants-you-to-search-for-their-privacy-policy-and-they-get-to-record-that-query/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. We&#039;re only talking 7 letters, hardly a blow to their valued aesthetics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, as I imply <a href="http://michaelzimmer.org/2008/05/27/google-wants-you-to-search-for-their-privacy-policy-and-they-get-to-record-that-query/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. We&#8217;re only talking 7 letters, hardly a blow to their valued aesthetics.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://michaelzimmer.org/2008/05/30/searching-for-googles-privacy-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-150193</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google generally says it&#039;s all just algorithms, excluding blacklists (which are human-maintained). But even so, the results like News and Images are not what you seem to want here. Again, they could do it as a pseudo-sponsored link.

I find it a better argument that Google has these on their homepage:

&quot;Advertising Programs - Business Solutions - About Google&quot;

So I don&#039;t see any reason not to have &quot;Privacy&quot; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google generally says it&#8217;s all just algorithms, excluding blacklists (which are human-maintained). But even so, the results like News and Images are not what you seem to want here. Again, they could do it as a pseudo-sponsored link.</p>
<p>I find it a better argument that Google has these on their homepage:</p>
<p>&#8220;Advertising Programs &#8211; Business Solutions &#8211; About Google&#8221;</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t see any reason not to have &#8220;Privacy&#8221; too.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://michaelzimmer.org/2008/05/30/searching-for-googles-privacy-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-150186</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression that there was some human editorial control over what search terms trigger additional &quot;universal&quot; results, and that it wasn&#039;t purely based on a (human determined) threshold of results on the other property. 

All said, if Google wants to &lt;a href=&quot;http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/privacy-made-easier.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;make privacy easier,&quot;&lt;/a&gt; I&#039;ve pointed out some simple steps they can take to make their Privacy Center more visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression that there was some human editorial control over what search terms trigger additional &#8220;universal&#8221; results, and that it wasn&#8217;t purely based on a (human determined) threshold of results on the other property. </p>
<p>All said, if Google wants to <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/privacy-made-easier.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;make privacy easier,&#8221;</a> I&#8217;ve pointed out some simple steps they can take to make their Privacy Center more visible.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://michaelzimmer.org/2008/05/30/searching-for-googles-privacy-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-150185</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the Universal Search results ARE organic results - they&#039;re algorithm-produced based on similar (not necessarily identical) calculations. when you say &quot;A search for George Bush includes a manually-inserted link to Google News.&quot; - it&#039;s not a MANUALLY-INSERTED LINK. As in, Google didn&#039;t decide that &quot;George Bush&quot; deserves a News link because he&#039;s the President. It&#039;s that he gets mentioned many times in recent news articles.
They did decide that news links should appear at a certain threshold. But I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what you meant.

Look at it this way - why should a search for &quot;privacy&quot; bring up Google&#039;s privacy policy by mandate, while not on a search for &quot;Google&quot;? Of all the people who are searching on &quot;privacy&quot;, how many want *Google&#039;s* privacy policy? And searching only [Google privacy] brings up &quot;Google Privacy Center - Privacy Policy&quot; as the second result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the Universal Search results ARE organic results &#8211; they&#8217;re algorithm-produced based on similar (not necessarily identical) calculations. when you say &#8220;A search for George Bush includes a manually-inserted link to Google News.&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s not a MANUALLY-INSERTED LINK. As in, Google didn&#8217;t decide that &#8220;George Bush&#8221; deserves a News link because he&#8217;s the President. It&#8217;s that he gets mentioned many times in recent news articles.<br />
They did decide that news links should appear at a certain threshold. But I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what you meant.</p>
<p>Look at it this way &#8211; why should a search for &#8220;privacy&#8221; bring up Google&#8217;s privacy policy by mandate, while not on a search for &#8220;Google&#8221;? Of all the people who are searching on &#8220;privacy&#8221;, how many want *Google&#8217;s* privacy policy? And searching only [Google privacy] brings up &#8220;Google Privacy Center &#8211; Privacy Policy&#8221; as the second result.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Zimmer</title>
		<link>http://michaelzimmer.org/2008/05/30/searching-for-googles-privacy-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-150174</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Zimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Seth. You&#039;re right on the ranking issue, and yes, the Universal Search aren&#039;t organic results, but to an average user they likely appear as such. My point is that it wouldn&#039;t take much to provide a Universal Search link to its &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/user/googleprivacy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;YouTube privacy channel&lt;/a&gt; when a user searches for privacy. 

But positions like &quot;how much value is an ordinary person going to get out of policy&quot; are problematic. Perhaps its true that many people won&#039;t read or properly understand a privacy policy. But if we take that position as acceptable, then not making the policy visible worsens the situation. A key step towards increasing people&#039;s understanding of the privacy, data collection, etc is to provide them with more information, not decide to withhold it because some might not care or not understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Seth. You&#8217;re right on the ranking issue, and yes, the Universal Search aren&#8217;t organic results, but to an average user they likely appear as such. My point is that it wouldn&#8217;t take much to provide a Universal Search link to its <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/googleprivacy" rel="nofollow">YouTube privacy channel</a> when a user searches for privacy. </p>
<p>But positions like &#8220;how much value is an ordinary person going to get out of policy&#8221; are problematic. Perhaps its true that many people won&#8217;t read or properly understand a privacy policy. But if we take that position as acceptable, then not making the policy visible worsens the situation. A key step towards increasing people&#8217;s understanding of the privacy, data collection, etc is to provide them with more information, not decide to withhold it because some might not care or not understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://michaelzimmer.org/2008/05/30/searching-for-googles-privacy-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-150173</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But one wonders if the PageRank of the policies for MSFT, Facebook and Yahoo all exceed that of Google’s own policy.&quot;

As you know, search results aren&#039;t determined strictly by PageRank, but include many factors. Google&#039;s Privacy Center is at #11, which is not unreasonable.

&quot;But Google regularly inserts particular results among certain searches.&quot;

Those aren&#039;t manual insertions. That&#039;s what&#039;s called &quot;universal search&quot;, including other *categories* on the web when their results rank high enough.

&quot;Why not add a simple link to their privacy policy when the word “privacy” is searched?&quot;

Well, it could be done in terms of a pseudo-sponsored link, as happens for the word &quot;Jew&quot;.

But how much value is an ordinary person going to get out of policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But one wonders if the PageRank of the policies for MSFT, Facebook and Yahoo all exceed that of Google’s own policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>As you know, search results aren&#8217;t determined strictly by PageRank, but include many factors. Google&#8217;s Privacy Center is at #11, which is not unreasonable.</p>
<p>&#8220;But Google regularly inserts particular results among certain searches.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those aren&#8217;t manual insertions. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s called &#8220;universal search&#8221;, including other *categories* on the web when their results rank high enough.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why not add a simple link to their privacy policy when the word “privacy” is searched?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, it could be done in terms of a pseudo-sponsored link, as happens for the word &#8220;Jew&#8221;.</p>
<p>But how much value is an ordinary person going to get out of policy?</p>
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		<title>By: Hannes</title>
		<link>http://michaelzimmer.org/2008/05/30/searching-for-googles-privacy-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-150106</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say that I like that you fight for privacy. Too many people don&#039;t realise the evil potential of Google. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say that I like that you fight for privacy. Too many people don&#8217;t realise the evil potential of Google. Keep it up!</p>
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