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	<title>Comments on: Riya: Facial recognition for the masses</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Zimmer.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Google Acquires Like.com, and its Facial Recognition Technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Zimmer.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Google Acquires Like.com, and its Facial Recognition Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4 years ago, I wrote about the privacy implications of Riya&#8217;s facial recognition technology here and here. I warned then: Sure, it would be great if I could easily search for pictures of me on the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 4 years ago, I wrote about the privacy implications of Riya&#8217;s facial recognition technology here and here. I warned then: Sure, it would be great if I could easily search for pictures of me on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Privacy Digest: Privacy News  (Civil Rights, Encryption, Free Speech, Cryptography)</title>
		<link>http://michaelzimmer.org/2006/03/22/riya-facial-recognition-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-4618</link>
		<dc:creator>Privacy Digest: Privacy News  (Civil Rights, Encryption, Free Speech, Cryptography)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Riya Moves Ahead with Web Image Search....&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt</title>
		<link>http://michaelzimmer.org/2006/03/22/riya-facial-recognition-for-the-masses/comment-page-1/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(reposted from my response to your comment on Jeff Jarvis&#039;s blog)

You are right...you training Riya to recognize people in your photographs creates specific digital signatures...but really, these signatures only reside in your account (unless you choose to share them with contacts on Riya, then you share the digital signatures with only those people).

The software isn&#039;t nearly powerful enough to create universal digital signatures. Yes, that would be frightening...and we never aim to do this specific thing. For one, facial recognition is an incredibly hard issue to solve. There are oodles of people who look similar in the world who pose in various different ways. The amount of mistakes Riya would make would make it impossible to find anyone anyway.

Government security computer vision is done in very controlled environments. When we get our passport photos taken, there are certain conditions they require us to meet: lighting, straight-on pose, no glasses, no smiling, etc. The cameras they use at airports are placed to meet the same conditions. Everyday photographs rarely, if ever, produce these pristine conditions. 

The metadata collected (ie. time stamp, etc.) is pretty standard for photo storage/sharing sites that many already use. i.e. Flickr, Ofoto, Picasa, Shutterfly, even Google images...it&#039;s pretty standard to use the jpg EXIF data. Being a photo search company, we see this as useful information.

Of course, this level of transparency is not for everyone. I, personally, recognize this. I can understand how scary the technology sounds. When I first heard about it, I thought, &quot;Whoah, CSI!&quot;

Basically, the thought was behind using face and text recognition to automatically tag the photos is that, instead of searching around photos like Google and Yahoo! image search does, we wanted to search &lt;i&gt;inside&lt;/i&gt; photos to produce better results.

The catch-22 is, of course, that the face recognition works best on &lt;i&gt;personal&lt;/i&gt; photographs...you may want to find them, but you certainly don&#039;t want strangers to. 

Because I highly doubt that we will just abandon the project (obviously there are many who are more excited by the possibility of searching photos smarter than they are concerned about national security), what we need now are suggestions from concerned people like yourselves on how to implement security measures. We are also chatting with the EFF coming up to try and figure out ways to balance security with usability.

I would love your further comments/suggestions on this. Feel free to email me personally at tara at riya dot com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(reposted from my response to your comment on Jeff Jarvis&#8217;s blog)</p>
<p>You are right&#8230;you training Riya to recognize people in your photographs creates specific digital signatures&#8230;but really, these signatures only reside in your account (unless you choose to share them with contacts on Riya, then you share the digital signatures with only those people).</p>
<p>The software isn&#8217;t nearly powerful enough to create universal digital signatures. Yes, that would be frightening&#8230;and we never aim to do this specific thing. For one, facial recognition is an incredibly hard issue to solve. There are oodles of people who look similar in the world who pose in various different ways. The amount of mistakes Riya would make would make it impossible to find anyone anyway.</p>
<p>Government security computer vision is done in very controlled environments. When we get our passport photos taken, there are certain conditions they require us to meet: lighting, straight-on pose, no glasses, no smiling, etc. The cameras they use at airports are placed to meet the same conditions. Everyday photographs rarely, if ever, produce these pristine conditions. </p>
<p>The metadata collected (ie. time stamp, etc.) is pretty standard for photo storage/sharing sites that many already use. i.e. Flickr, Ofoto, Picasa, Shutterfly, even Google images&#8230;it&#8217;s pretty standard to use the jpg EXIF data. Being a photo search company, we see this as useful information.</p>
<p>Of course, this level of transparency is not for everyone. I, personally, recognize this. I can understand how scary the technology sounds. When I first heard about it, I thought, &#8220;Whoah, CSI!&#8221;</p>
<p>Basically, the thought was behind using face and text recognition to automatically tag the photos is that, instead of searching around photos like Google and Yahoo! image search does, we wanted to search <i>inside</i> photos to produce better results.</p>
<p>The catch-22 is, of course, that the face recognition works best on <i>personal</i> photographs&#8230;you may want to find them, but you certainly don&#8217;t want strangers to. </p>
<p>Because I highly doubt that we will just abandon the project (obviously there are many who are more excited by the possibility of searching photos smarter than they are concerned about national security), what we need now are suggestions from concerned people like yourselves on how to implement security measures. We are also chatting with the EFF coming up to try and figure out ways to balance security with usability.</p>
<p>I would love your further comments/suggestions on this. Feel free to email me personally at tara at riya dot com.</p>
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